6377. Under 'St. Paul's' I find 'Vicar's subwarden, Mr. George Webster'; and then sidesmen and vicars, and then the names are set out, and an equal number of names begining with your own, Mr. Hutchings, Mr. Berry, Mr. Smith, and so on. How are these people's sidesmen elected? - Elected by the congregation attending the church. I should like to mention that the principal part of those are working men. If you would like to have their occupations I can give them.

6378. I would be very interested to have them? - The first is a director of education; the next we have is a clothier; the next is a boot salesman; the next a sewing-machine agent; two clerks; two miners; one carpenter; two masons; one plasterer; two miners' labourers; one assistant master at the county school; one builder; one railway inspector; one colliery weigher; and one colliery lampman; and we have the doctor.

6392. Now we will pass to your personal church work. You are 'Sunday school superintendent and teacher, lay reader, representative of the Rural Deanery at Llandaff Diocesan Conference'? - I may say, with regards to the superintendent, I come up for election every year. Sometimes I do not get elected, and then I take a class and become a teacher. Sometimes I do not take a class. Instead of being elected superintendent I get elected as secretary, and that is the reason that sometimes I act as Sunday school superintendent and sometimes Sunday school teacher and sometimes secretary. It is through the change in the annual election.

6393. You are also a lay reader? - Yes. I was licensed in 1896. I have not got a copy of the licence with me, but it can be got.

6394. That is a diocesan licence? - Yes. It was necessary at that timewhen I was elected that there should be a lay reader in the parish, owing to English and Welsh services being held in the parish church-English in the morning and Welsh in the evening; and then I used to occasionally take the English service in the old National Schoolroom in the evening. Afterwards I took children in the Sunday school in order to relieve the pressure in the church. The church was so small it would not hold the congregation and the children, and in order to make more room I took the children in the schoolroom; but I was not able to continue that, owing to my services being required at my calling on the railway, but I hope to be able to start it again soon in order to relieve the pressure that is there now.

6395. I see you were a representative of the Rural Deanery at the Llandaff Diocesan Conference? - Yes; I held that position. I have been elected on three successive occasions. The term is three years and I am now in my ninth year.

6396. Then I see, 'St. Paul's Young Men's Guild-weekly meetings.' What is that? - That is a body of young men who meet weekly. I am a member of it myself, but I cannot always attend becuase I do not complete my day's work in time to attend it, but I occasionally go in as I am going home from my work in my dirty clothes, and sit down amongst them at the latter end of their meetings. The subjects which these young men discuss are various. Sometimes they take up the subject of bees and discuss that. Sometimes they take up the subject of the nationalisation of the railways, and papers on a diversity of subjects. Upon one occasion I read a paper myself on 'Monarchy versus Republicanism.' Subjects of that description and sometimes subjects of a religious character. It is not confined to one particular subject.

6397. I am not sure that Monarchy versus Republicanism had a flavour of politics about it. Then, 'Young Men's Christian Association.' I know what that is. I see you were appointed trustee? - Yes, at the start, and I am still a member of it. I have my membershipo cards with me. (Cards of membership of St. Paul's Guild, Porth, and of the Young Men's Christian Association handed to the Chairman.)

6398. 'Mutual assistance of Churchmen and Nonconformists.' What do you say about that? - I have lived there very many years, and lived on most friendly terms with all denominations, and sometimes through having so much of the Sunday school requisites at hand, they occasionally asked me to lend some of our tea utensils; and I have got a lot of banner decorations for Sunday school processions, or the annual festival, and on similar occasions I have lent those. Then, again, or churchwardens, one of them especially I think, have presided at annual concerts and Eisteddfods for nearly every cause in the town. So far as the Church is concerned , we work on most friendly terms with all denominations there.